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Ah, I did not mention also that when I open the app, it actually tells me that it has been 'updated'. I see advises on the board that user stop updating the app to avoid the issue - so just mentioned that such advise do not work, if Smule do not want to allow.

Not all functionality is baked into the specific app version. They can also change things on their server and influence how the app works for all users.

Anyway, here's a petition that I've seen floating around. Someone said there was one that had over 67,000 signatures (!), but this one's only at 651. https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/let-old-ocs-be-joinable-again

Has anyone else double- and triple-checked that they no longer just blindly download any future Smule updates? Hahaha. 'Cause I have.

For what it's worth, I can't join any expired songs via any method on my Iphone. Though I can with my android - but of course, smuling on android is a fate worse than death, so I don't. I was really looking forward to someone, one day, aeons into the future after a nuclear war, joining my Come to the Sabbat by Black Widow OC. And now that shall never happen

Very bad decision by smule.

On IOS, latest version, backdating on phone no longer works. That was probably a bug/oversight that Smule have fixed. Also, even though I change setting to not auto updating app, Smule seems to ignore that and update anyway. It seems the changes to policy is enforced pretty strictly now

The bots in Starmaker have got smarter. Now they actually have a few recordings in their profile, making it hard to distinguish a bot vs a real user. But if we play those recordings, they are a blank track with no voice at all... LMAO !!

I'll give ya that. But at the same time, I don't see some of the more popular users exactly hurting for joins, know what I mean? I would even argue that users probably gained popularity and more engagements once Smule lifted the limit. I get the angle that Smule would want to create urgency with limited OC's, but sometimes life gets in the way of joining another version of "Say Something" within 7 days. How this isn't all purely about getting more subscribers is beyond me.

Not necessarily. I would say the issue is that without the expiration, there is no pressure to join as soon as possible. You can join whenever and the result might be that you never join. I don’t know the statistics on this is, but Smule has all the data. I was certainly more invested in checking OCs and joining quickly back in the old (and now new) system.

Ridiculous. I'm going to comment on the ONLY point that's worth a sniff, as everything else is just PR padding. This enhancement gives you the opportunity to: Receive a significant increase in the joins you get on your latest invites Are users really complaining that they're getting more joins on old OCs than their recent ones? Here's the thing. I would *always* join the most recent OCs I could find. If SmuleDude opened Bohemian Rhapsody last week, but I also notice he opened it in 2019, I'd join the one from last week. But if the 2019 one is the only one he opened, I'd join that one. Because the harm in that is what, exactly? I'm sure Smule saw a drastic drop in VIP subscriptions when they removed the 7-day expiration date and now they're finally bringing it back, because they love us and they know how important Smule is to us. Pffft. Or something. Seriously, we need some Ambassadors or "Influencers" to go to bat for us slobs in gen pop and tell them this update is the worst. I can't imagine why anyone who actively uses the app would like this change. Because as far as I can tell, this is all about money and selling VIP subscriptions.

My old iPhone never took that update, so for now, I can still join expired songs on that phone. In fact, I might just make that my thing: "Exclusively joining expired songs since June 2023 (iOS Version 11.6.5)." Hahahaha. From what I've heard, the "time travel glitch" doesn't work for this. I haven't tried it myself however... Unfortunately this is a deliberate choice on Smule's part (and not a glitch like I had hoped), for the betterment of all Smule users. Pffft. Or something. Is anyone on the Singtopia FB page? Apparently there's a petition/campaign going on to try and get the 7-day expiration period removed.

Thanks for your response. I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. I hope that we can sing together on Smule, my friend. My username is Autumnleaves0. Take care and stay safe. 🙏

By the way one can workaround the problem of unable to join expired invites.. by backdating the phone Date to few days prior to the Invite expiry date (on some phones more steps may be needed, like restarting and enabling flight mode)...

By 'Arrangement' I meant the upload of a song.. for creating an Invite, we browse through the songbook for songs.. those are called arrangements, till we open it to create a duet invite or Solo.. And yes we cannot reopen an expired song, what I meant is that users will keep creating fresh new invites for the same song after it has expired since it is no longer discoverable by search (and not even joinable, with the recent app update)

OMG.. am glad I saw this post, now I will never update my Smule App till they reverse this drastic, unwarranted change ! I also heard from one of my co-singers that expired Invites can no longer be joined.... my Android app version is 10.8.7 build 2315 and it allows to join expired invites. Hope users will pass the feedback to Smule to reverse this change ! (In Smule App one can go to Help, at the top of screen there is a link to submit feedback

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Definitely not. There are a few with a special relationship, called Partner Artists. You can recognize them by their Checkmark badge. But other than that, it’s just regular singers who also need to pay for their VIP membership. I agree that there are many talented singers out there who could be professional singers, but I wouldn’t call that unfair. The chance to sing with talented people from all over the world and from various genres is what makes this app so great. And those people enjoy it too. That’s why they use the app.

Thank you to everyone for your quick responses. All very good suggestions and great advice. You have answered my question. Take care and stay safe. 🙏

Thank you for your quick reply, my friend. I appreciate your advice and will avoid those type of singers. 👍 Take care and stay safe. 🙏

Oops, misspelled the word joins. My apologies. 🤣

😁😁 This certainly sounds like a good way to make money for good singers. And such singers should advertise on their profile that they are available for hired singing. This is normal behavior of members in group. Don't be bothered but stop joining or following anyone who does this. You can better enjoy your time at smule by choosing a few people to sing with and occasionally looking for invites from new singers. Look for invites in the 6-7d ago and not many (less than 10) joins already. I came across once or twice. The singing was perfect but I could make out it was just lip-syncing. Better avoid joining such persons. 👍😁

Hello, everyone. I have a question about smule and I'm hoping that I can get an answer here in my sing salon community. I currently sing on Smule and I am an upgraded VIP member and have noticed from the very beginning that many of the singers that I join in their invites sound like professional singers. What I mean by that is, they sound like they should have an album recorded because they clearly sound way too good to be singing on a phone app. And I would like to know if most Smule members on Smule are hired professional singers, does anybody know the background of the members on smule? I feel that as a paid monthly subscriber as a regular person is a bit strange. since us the regular people on their don't sound like we should already have an album out and in a professional recording studio. Just a little unfair because of course the singers are going to sound to professional and with better audio equipment and sound systems. Just wondering if they are hired by the company of Smule. Thanks for reading my post, everyone. Take care and stay safe, my friends. 🙏

Hello, I am singing on Smule, currently but have encountered a few scammers that will message me on there and I tried to report one scammer who asked me for money and I took a screenshot of the message and sent it to the support team only to receive a response back from them telling me that all I need to do is block them. I had proof but they did nothing about it. It really infuriated me and all I did was blocked the scammer and couldn't do anything else beyond that point. Another thing that I'm noticing and I am wondering if you have noticed this as well on smule. I'm noticing that most of the Smule singers are hired professional singers to sing on the app, am I not correct? It seems that every singer sounds way too good and two professional to be singing on a phone app. I also noticed that all members will love my joins but none of them had listened to my recordings at all. I started realizing that they don't even bother listening to the joints. All they're doing is Hearting ❤️ them and leaving the same scripted comment on each join. I would really like to know, are there hired staff members singing on Smule and if so, why? So far, I have not heard any regular people paying for a monthly subscription sounding like an amateur. Which really stinks because I don't think it's fair if us, the regular people who have to pay for upgraded features like singing solo for example, joining a singer who clearly sounds like they should have an album recorded. It is just a bit weird to me. Can anybody please explain where those singers are coming from? Thank you and take care everyone. 🙏

Yes you are right... One of my accounts I updated to the latest Version 11.6.5 and all my expired songs cannot be joined anymore. I checked my other account, this account was not updated to the latest version and I can still join the expired songs.